scarlettina: (Abomination!)
scarlettina ([personal profile] scarlettina) wrote2007-10-12 09:22 am

The scary thing is...she really believes this

Last night, on The Big Idea, Ann Coulter decided to tell the world what she really thinks about Jews. Apparently, we need to be "perfected." In the Gospel According to Coulter, Christians don't have to obey the laws of the Torah or their Bible because they've got the fast track to heaven. (That's almost an exact quote.) What makes it worse is that, when she tries to explain herself she makes it even worse. (If you watch the first video above, it will directly lead into the second video.)

And the scary thing is, she doesn't see anything questionable, curious, or offensive about what she's saying. There sits Donny Deutsch, the host of the show, saying to her, "You want me to stop being Jewish so I can be 'perfected' and you think that's okay? You're an educated woman. How can you say that?" And she just doesn't get it. There's a total disconnect between what she says she believes and the realistic extrapolation of her belief.

I've always thought she was a bigot. This is just one more argument in favor of same. But the clips have to be seen to be believed. Bigotry in action, delivered rationally, straight-faced, from a blond in a hideous dress.

[identity profile] blakesrealm.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly I'd be shocked if she believed one-tenth of what she spews. She's just out there stirring up reaction and trying to keep her face planted in front of the media at all times. She makes more money that way, and keeps the focus on her rather than the real stories.

Just another one of their tactics. :(
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[personal profile] lagilman 2007-10-12 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't ruberneck traffic accidents, read fanwank, or watch Coulter in anything. My ch'i is calmer that way.


[identity profile] oldmangrumpus.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
She's so batshit insane I think the only people who pay any attention to her are the ones who hate her.

[identity profile] mimerki.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, that ain't the case. I'd like it to be, but I know people who think she's of their ilk...

[identity profile] baron-elric.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
This is also the same compassionate conservative who reacted to 9/11 by declaring that the US should invade "the Middle East" and forcibly convert everyone there to Christianity. I believe her fall-back position from that plan involved radioactive glass over the entire region. The woman ought to be heavily medicated and under observation, because she and the real world had a parting of the ways a long time ago.

[identity profile] oldmangrumpus.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Or, put another way, if she wasn't a leggy blond but a sunburnt Idaho farmer, do you think she'd get half this attention?

[identity profile] mimerki.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I would really like to know what she was getting at with the "practicing Jew" comment. I mean, I know nothing about the host there but y'know what? I cannot tell you of my Jewish friends who is or is not a "practicing" Jew. Fuck, what does that even mean? I know what it means, duh, but who decides if you're practicing? I mean, I would say you do, but obviously Coulter thinks she gets to make these decisions based on what? The fact that Deutsch isn't wearing a Star of David where she can see it? The fact that he hasn't mentioned going to synagogue in front of her? The fact that she hasn't been invited over for Shabbath? Would it help if he had a big yellow Star of David sewn onto his jacket?

And since when does Jerry Falwell saying someone gets to go to Heaven have anything to do with ... anything? Does she really think Jews care that Falwell says they get to go to heaven? Because if Falwell said I get to go to heaven I'd be looking for the ticket office for an exchange ASAP. *cringe*

[cuts catty comment on Coulter's nose]

[identity profile] pixxelpuss.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to say that about Falwell, too. Oh, so he decided that Jews get to go to heaven? Well, BULLY for Falwell.

It drives me crazy that people can make a good living at being nothing more than a skinny blonde republican loudmouth. I won't say that she's pretty, because I honestly don't think she is, but if other people didn't think she was she sure as hell wouldn't get the air time she does.

[identity profile] botgrrrl.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Coultier . . . um . . . yeah.

Rev. Jeffery Lee (who is currently up for Bishop in another state) said something during a class I was taking from him, "I have no desire to make Jews into Christians. However, I think it would be good if we Christains were better Jews."

Even in the Christian Bible, St. Paul says that Christians are merely a branch grafted to the olive tree that is the Jewish Faith.

Although I'm afraid that since her name has been out of the headlines for a couple of months that this is just something to put her name back in the lime-light. I doubt she really cares about faith of any kind at all.

[identity profile] skidspoppe.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Even better was Deutsch on the Today Show explaining that if we ignore her, she'll go away. I've been saying that for years, but somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.

[identity profile] dianora2.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Even better was Deutsch on the Today Show explaining that if we ignore her, she'll go away.

The way he did by inviting her on his show in the first place? And then, after she spews her shit, plugging her book at the end? Donny is part of the problem and he knows it and he's taking it all the way to the bank.

[identity profile] garyomaha.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
What [livejournal.com profile] blakesrealm said.

A few years ago I was reading a blog and it referred to this "Coulter" character in terms of being a Child of Satan. At the time I had no idea who or what she was. I wish I were still in that happy state.

[identity profile] sleightgirl.livejournal.com 2007-10-13 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, I remember those days too...they were so nice.

Perfect

[identity profile] grubbstreet.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, J, I think you're perfect to start with :)

Re: Perfect

[identity profile] scarlettina.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
See? And this is why I love you.

Speaking of which, the e-mail address I have for you seems rto have stopped working, and I really want to see you sometime soon. E-mail me and let's set something up?

Well, for years. . .

[identity profile] robespierrette.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
. . . folks in my zone of blogosphere comfort have posited that she was, well, kinda, maybe a Nazi. And have had Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) invoked on them.

But this is someone who wants an authoritarian regime, run by, and for the benefit of, folks who are like her - rich, white (or white-conformist), straight (or straight-conformist), (at least nominally) Christian, and believers in authoritarianism. I say, if it walks like a duck, and the shoe fits, and. . . well you get the idea.

There are those who say of her (as they say of other odious gasbags like Rush Limbaugh), "Oh, she doesn't actually believe this stuff, it's just an act - it pushes ratings. She puts it on for the money". I don't think that's true, but even if it was. . . wouldn't that be even worse?

I think of folks like Coulter as pathological liars - they have (for whatever reason) convinced themselves that this crap they're peddling has merit. Maybe it is for the money, or fame, or drugs (ahem) . . . Her "religious viewpoint" seems to be a skewed interpretation of the traditions of a small percentage of Protestants - Calvinistic predetermination/"Gospel of Wealth" stuff - i.e. if you're rich, it means God has already picked you for salvation, and it's pretermined, so any horrible thing you do is just God's will, and you're already saved, so it's OK, right? ::shudder:: It's a standpoint so bizarre that it seems offensive to put it under the "Christian" category, since there is exactly 0% Jesus in it.

Wow. That really got my rant on. :)

P.S. I should probably admit that I didn't actually get a chance to see the videos, since they're on MSN, and I'm on a Mac that can't seem (somehow) to view any fancy MSN content. . . funny how that works. :P

Re: Well, for years. . .

[identity profile] steve98052.livejournal.com 2007-10-16 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Can one cite Godwin's Law to object to discussions of an actual Nazi? :)

When it comes to female right wing nut-jobs, I find Michelle Malkin both a better writer (but still a nut-job) and better looking. And defending the internment of US citizens of Japanese ancestry is a much more interesting outrage than a statement that's fairly commonplace among Christian-extremists. It also an amusingly ironic position, given the fact that, as a US-born child of Philippine parents, she might easily have been swept up in the internments of people of Japanese ancestry, because the internment orders often did a bad job distinguishing whether people had Japanese or other Asian ancestries.

Anyway, I try to avoid the blonde harpy as much as I can.

[identity profile] joyful-storm.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't consider this issue worth posting about on my lj - I don't need the negativity - but I am contributing to friends' discussions.

I read a transcript of the broadcast, and a couple of commentaries - one pro-Coulter, one anti-Coulter. The commentaries had sections for reader input.

I think the most disturbing thing to me, reading the comments on those articles, is the number of people who said (paraphrased) "Actually, she was simply discussing established Christian doctrine. It's ridiculous to call her statements offensive - anyone who is offended by them is simply ignorant, at best."

What flawed logic allows people to believe that when they agree with Coulter's perspective, they are unbiased enough to objectively judge whether her statements are generally offensive to anyone outside her point of view?

Failure to agree does not equal a lack of understanding, and being informed that I am unable to reliably judge what I personally find offensive is more insulting than what Coulter said (and yes, that was *really* bad).

[identity profile] pixxelpuss.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see where she gets the idea from, but it's not really one that I was ever exposed to while being raised as a Christian, and I wouldn't really call it acceptable, even if I do think it's approximately the logical extension of what some Christians believe. I ran into someone who believed this once (and not on TV so clearly even if AC doesn't really believe it, there are morons out there who do). So I told him that logically, if Christians were "perfected Jews" (I don't think he used this phrase, though), that mormons were "perfected Christians". It's a pretty straight forward analogy. He hated it with a fiery passion, though.

Silly stupid git

[identity profile] ladyjestocost.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Coulter, not you. bedii & I figured we'd be able to hear you in West Seattle, when you heard about that. We was right.

When I get over being flabbergasted by this, I may be able to make a coherent statement. Maybe - 'cause I'm still not over being flabberghasted by her last twenty-three statements.

[identity profile] willowgreen.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Given what a lunatic that harpy is at the best of times, it's hard for me to get upset about anything she says anymore. Also, an old coworker (who was a much nicer person than Coulter could ever dream existed ) once said to me that in her opinion, "a Jew was just a Christian waiting to happen," so it's a sentiment I've heard before. And in this case, I think it may not have been nearly as ill-intentioned as most of the crap Coulter spouts. I'm personally far more offended by her calling me a "traitor" because I'm a liberal and "brainless" because I'm a Democrat than by her saying that my spouse and I would have a better shot at getting to Heaven if we were Christians. (Actually, given that my spouse is a Jew and I'm a Unitarian heretic, I'm sure she thinks he has a better shot than I do.) But, basically, yeah, she's hellspawn. It's exactly what I expect from her.

[identity profile] bedii.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I knew she was a moron from the time she insisted to a Canadian journalist that Canada had been in Vietnam with the USA, and from the time where she insulted all Hispanics in a hotel in California full of Hispanic waitstaff (in the words of Al Franken, "just before they served the coffee"), but this sets a new low...

[identity profile] dianora2.livejournal.com 2007-10-12 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
And the scary thing is, she doesn't see anything questionable, curious, or offensive about what she's saying.

Oh, sure she does. It's how she earns her paycheck.

I read the transcript of this, and my favorite part was how Donny just kept impotently expressing his weak disbelief, so that he could allow her to keep repeating what she was saying. It's all a sham. It won't stop him from hanging out with her at Manhattan cocktail parties.